• FAFO???

    From IB Joe@1:342/201 to All on Fri Jan 9 14:48:16 2026
    I wanted to say more but I have broken into 2 messages.

    I know that not everyone here is from the US or knows the US gun laws.

    There is a few terms you need to know...

    1) Castle Doctrine.
    2) Stand Your ground

    Castle Doctrine does not apply to the shooting in Minnesota that involved an ICE agent. Castle Doctrine allows someone to protect your house and family. You can meet the robber with equal or great force and you don't have to look for ways to avoid the conflict. Some Stats require, if you can, to avoid the conflict.

    Stand your Ground... for regular folks, not police, means that you don't have to look for a way to exit the conflict and you can meet the aggressor with equal or greater force.

    The threat has to be real or perceived as to a normal person. So... if there's a road rage incident and you want to go back and bang on the guys window and yell and threaten the person you're pissed off at... Stand your Ground laws states that you, the victim, can address that person with equal to or greater force and shoot him.

    There are several States that are Stand Your Ground... Florida and Texas to name a few.

    Minnesota allows for self defense, but requires that you look for a way to retreat. If you pull out a gun and the aggressor is running away... You can't shoot, threat is gone.

    Self defense for law enforcement... Laws both Federally and at the State level side with the police... For the Most part...

    When it comes to looking at situations like this the cop/ICE agent was a few feet away from the front of the vehicle. The driver was in reverse and then put it into gear. Move the steering in the direction of the ICE agent and hit the gas.

    FOR THOSE who don't know this ICE Agent was the agent who was hit by a car and dragged for someways and was hospitalized and received 37 stitches... Just a few weeks back.

    The ICE Agent had a split second to make a decision and he made a defensive shot. The investigators will be focused on the second or two leading up to the shotting and if they can see that he felt threatened the law, Federal or State will side with the ICE agent.

    BTW, if that ICE agent was further away down the street some... Minnesota law would have required to step aside.

    https://youtu.be/Y04ndAPynMk?si=eStfOaDvOH7UdeTF

    This is a link to a Lawyer I like to follow on gun laws. He breaks it down nicely and explains the laws at the both levels.

    The woman knew she was talking to Federal Agents. She and her wife were both talking to the agents, tauntingly... The Federal Agents were telling the driver to get out of the vehicle, a lawful command, and she decided to drive towards an agent aggressively who was a few feet away.

    She was shot and died.

    I don't see the agent getting charged or being reprimanded.

    https://youtu.be/rpcCQTGfPLo?si=fQ0HyJrVbsuiiqfF

    The body cam footage released... Does not look good for the dead girl.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Fri Jan 9 18:27:06 2026
    The woman knew she was talking to Federal Agents. She and her wife were both talking to the agents, tauntingly... The Federal Agents were
    telling the driver to get out of the vehicle, a lawful command, and she decided to drive towards an agent aggressively who was a few feet away.

    The FBI (and/or Congress) should be investigating the legality of leftist organizations who pay people to do these things. Are they paying them to break the law? And that's not illegal?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jan 10 08:50:14 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    The FBI (and/or Congress) should be investigating the legality of
    leftist organizations who pay people to do these things. Are they
    paying them to break the law? And that's not illegal?

    Exactly.

    And jail the dead lady's "wife" for inciting the incident.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jan 10 08:50:14 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    The FBI (and/or Congress) should be investigating the legality of
    leftist organizations who pay people to do these things. Are they
    paying them to break the law? And that's not illegal?

    But this goes back to my theory that the Left has created a set of bots that don't have a control-and-command system. Instead they are triggered by certain words or events.

    So these people act out on "command", but there's nothing to tie their actions to their masters.

    The down side is that sometimes they get triggered when they shouldn't.

    While most "protesters" that I've seen lately have certainly been paid, most of the "protesters" in this shooting are bots. They are running a program that places them in a fantasy of "freedom fighter" and they are one of the main characters.

    These people are clinically insane.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jan 10 10:47:08 2026
    On 09 Jan 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    The FBI (and/or Congress) should be investigating the legality of leftist organizations who pay people to do these things. Are they paying them to break the law? And that's not illegal?


    I think they are.

    Elon said the other day that if Soros was behind all that destruction a few months back with all the Tesla BS that Soros will pay.

    Laura Ingraham was at a Minnesota ICE protest ansd she was being harassed by a lefty. The lefty shouted back to Laura that she was currently at work...

    I don't think the Leftist should have admitted she was a paid actor.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Jan 10 19:52:50 2026
    The FBI (and/or Congress) should be investigating the legality of leftist organizations who pay people to do these things. Are they paying them to break the law? And that's not illegal?

    Exactly.

    And jail the dead lady's "wife" for inciting the incident.

    Look how many days have passed already, and the local news here is STILL parroting the old narrative. Even CNN has corrected themselves already.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sat Jan 10 20:11:12 2026
    Elon said the other day that if Soros was behind all that destruction a few months back with all the Tesla BS that Soros will pay.

    He's probably behind all the BLM stuff too.

    Laura Ingraham was at a Minnesota ICE protest ansd she was being
    harassed by a lefty. The lefty shouted back to Laura that she was currently at work...

    I don't think the Leftist should have admitted she was a paid actor.

    Never expect smart from a leftist.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jan 11 10:39:58 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Look how many days have passed already, and the local news here is
    STILL parroting the old narrative. Even CNN has corrected themselves already.

    And they still push the "Very find people" hoax today as well.

    Facts don't matter. They've spent decades creating a population that can be manipulated with emotional "arguments". But they don't realize that the number of those people are shrinking.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jan 11 09:21:46 2026
    On 10 Jan 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Look how many days have passed already, and the local news here is STILL parroting the old narrative. Even CNN has corrected themselves already.


    Aaron, I think things are changing. I am not watching NY local news.. BUT I am seeing things change though. One of the dead lady's family members spoke out the other day and condemned the M.M.'s (Minnesota Mother) behavior.

    Since the evidence released so far shows M.M. and L.L.of M.M. (Lesbian Lover of M.M.) not in a positive light... L.L.of M.M. told M.M. to drive into the Agent who shot M.M. I hope everyday that L.L.of M.M. is alive she'll have to live with the guilt of getting M.M. to do that.

    Notice that the media doesn't talk about the M.M. anymore. Minnesota is now trying to excite the country into Civil war and advance George Floyd type riots.

    Meanwhile in the world people are fighting for their freedom in Iran and Venezuela.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jan 11 10:10:28 2026
    On 10 Jan 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    He's probably behind all the BLM stuff too.


    Never expect smart from a leftist.


    As @RonL would say, Follow the money.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Jan 11 17:06:42 2026
    Look how many days have passed already, and the local news here is STILL parroting the old narrative. Even CNN has corrected themselves already.

    And they still push the "Very find people" hoax today as well.

    Facts don't matter. They've spent decades creating a population that
    can be manipulated with emotional "arguments". But they don't realize that the number of those people are shrinking.

    I think you're right, but how did people get so stupid in this region? The southern states know what time it is, Alaska, Montanna, North & South Dakota too. But there is still a population of brainwashed dummies here.

    It's kinda like The Walking Dead. We don't want the walker virus spreading, and we need to control the herd, but how did it begin in the first place? :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sun Jan 11 17:14:54 2026
    Aaron, I think things are changing. I am not watching NY local news..
    BUT I am seeing things change though. One of the dead lady's family members spoke out the other day and condemned the M.M.'s (Minnesota Mother) behavior.

    There's good people in Minnesota, but the state has a poor reputation in other regions because of the other half. Even Tim Walz' family seems like really good and decent people.

    into the Agent who shot M.M. I hope everyday that L.L.of M.M. is alive she'll have to live with the guilt of getting M.M. to do that.

    Yea but you know the typical leftie protocol: They don't really have any shame. I feel bad for her, mostly because I pity the ultra-ignorant. Who sends someone they love off to battle against the police?

    "Have a nice day fighting with the police, honey, I packed you a lunch."

    Notice that the media doesn't talk about the M.M. anymore. Minnesota is now trying to excite the country into Civil war and advance George Floyd type riots.

    You're right! Good point! I didn't even think of that until now. That's exactly what they're trying to do. Let's see how Trump handles that crap this time!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jan 12 07:20:43 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I think you're right, but how did people get so stupid in this region?

    Decades of ruining the public education system.

    The southern states know what time it is, Alaska, Montanna, North &
    South Dakota too. But there is still a population of brainwashed
    dummies here.

    You are confusing knowledge with wisdom.

    "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad."

    Self-awareness, critical thinking. These things are needed. You can pack tons of facts into someone's head, but you can't make him think. Ex: most college professors.

    It's kinda like The Walking Dead. We don't want the walker virus spreading, and we need to control the herd, but how did it begin in the first place? :)

    Subversion of the public schools. You start with 4 generations ago and dumb them down a bit. They can't see that they are dumb, so they allow their children to get dumbed down even more.

    Then you focus on young women so that they don't have children. I think Brittany Hughes (MRCtv) pointed this out. If you take away children, women focus their "nurturing" energies elsewhere. And being able to be manipulated by the "crowd", they can be manipulated into nuturing people who will kill (and worse) them.

    You then end up with a bunch of LARPers, who live in a delusion in which they are the main character. And they lack the self-awareness andn critical thinking skills to self-correct.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Jan 12 07:20:43 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    drive into the Agent who shot M.M. I hope everyday that L.L.of M.M. is alive she'll have to live with the guilt of getting M.M. to do that.

    Hopefully L.L. will be doing that from prison.

    Notice that the media doesn't talk about the M.M. anymore. Minnesota
    is now trying to excite the country into Civil war and advance George Floyd type riots.

    Gotta distract away from the massive Somali fraud that Tampon Tim is involved in.

    Meanwhile in the world people are fighting for their freedom in Iran
    and Venezuela.

    And winning, from what it looks like.

    That tells me that the Elitist influence is waning.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jan 12 07:20:43 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    There's good people in Minnesota, but the state has a poor reputation
    in other regions because of the other half. Even Tim Walz' family seems like really good and decent people.

    I dunno. His daughter seems as retarded as he is.

    Yea but you know the typical leftie protocol: They don't really have
    any shame. I feel bad for her, mostly because I pity the
    ultra-ignorant. Who sends someone they love off to battle against the police?

    Someone who uses others without care.

    We've seen this time and time again. The Left is always the opposite of what they claim.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jan 12 08:23:46 2026
    On 11 Jan 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    There's good people in Minnesota, but the state has a poor reputation in other regions because of the other half. Even Tim Walz' family seems
    like really good and decent people.


    Yes, there are some good people from Minnesota. But it's people like Tampon Tim that destroys that nice person/state image.

    I saw a video of a young woman, mid 20s, talking about how embarrassed she is about being from Minnesota. Our politicians do this and that... Liberal this and that... Now we have the Daycare issue and riots protecting those who stole the money.

    I love the Internet because it doesn't forget a thing.

    The other day I read something. It was talking about Jill Biden meeting with Tampon Tim early 2020 to introduce this Daycare concept for Minnesota... Interesting... The Somalis take that concept to the next level.

    Tampon pulls this all off. 9-10 Billion taken from the Taxpayers, 100s and 100s of millions, if not Billions, funneled back to the Democratic Machine.

    In 2024 they offer Tampon the VP position, payment I guess.

    It's going to take the citizens of the state to fix that though.


    Yea but you know the typical leftie protocol: They don't really have any shame. I feel bad for her, mostly because I pity the ultra-ignorant. Who sends someone they love off to battle against the police?

    "Have a nice day fighting with the police, honey, I packed you a lunch."


    HAHAHA... I saw a meme that said this... 35 YO comes up from his mothers basement, where he lives. Said his day was full doing ANTIFA stuff... Mother says that's great honey... Made him a lunch and pecked him on the cheek and wished him well.


    You're right! Good point! I didn't even think of that until now. That's exactly what they're trying to do. Let's see how Trump handles that crap this time!


    The differences between George Floyd and M.M. is that the left was able to push back and riot making the authorities back off and let them run amuck. They told the police to stand down... The rest is history.

    Trump dealt with Minnesota and M.M. event differently... He sent more ICE agent to the state, he added 300 more today.

    Tampon is probably going to jail and he knows it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Jan 12 20:52:46 2026
    The southern states know what time it is, Alaska, Montanna, North & South Dakota too. But there is still a population of brainwashed dummies here.

    You are confusing knowledge with wisdom.

    That explains it. These (mostly) southern state people have ancestors who taught them about the death and misery that Democrats bring, because they lived it. Meanwhile, idiots in the northern states get their "knowledge" from the TV (not even from a damn history book that would easily point out which party is known for hurting people.)

    Self-awareness, critical thinking. These things are needed. You can
    pack tons of facts into someone's head, but you can't make him think.
    Ex: most college professors.

    Part of the problem has got to be the cold weather. Even me, I don't go outside much during the winter. I get more TV than I get fresh air (it's a bad habit.) Luckily I'm not consumed by the TV though (Joseph, Bjorn. Alan.)

    Subversion of the public schools. You start with 4 generations ago and dumb them down a bit. They can't see that they are dumb, so they allow their children to get dumbed down even more.

    That really is sad, but it explains it. My dad was in the army, and I think that's part of who he is, and he don't let the media control him. He encourages me to go to college, but he had no clue that they would successfully brainwash me there. He thought they'd just teach me how to be more financially successful. So there's that side of the story too; some people are lucky enough to have it in them to break the chains.

    Then you focus on young women so that they don't have children. I think Brittany Hughes (MRCtv) pointed this out. If you take away children, women focus their "nurturing" energies elsewhere. And being able to be manipulated by the "crowd", they can be manipulated into nuturing people who will kill (and worse) them.

    She might be on to something, but the same goes for anyone who is lacking something they long for. Maybe in our case our northerner dummies don't get enough vitamin D from the sun, and some of them can't bear it, so they compensate by doing stupid things like driving into police officers.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Mon Jan 12 21:01:26 2026
    The other day I read something. It was talking about Jill Biden meeting with Tampon Tim early 2020 to introduce this Daycare concept for Minnesota... Interesting... The Somalis take that concept to the next level.

    Tampon pulls this all off. 9-10 Billion taken from the Taxpayers, 100s and 100s of millions, if not Billions, funneled back to the Democratic Machine.

    You're right to just call him "Tampon." It's easier, and it's absorbent of him to think that he's getting away with this.

    I love that we're only 1 year into the Trump administration so far. If this stuff was happening at the last minute, we'd never get to see the end of the story.

    HAHAHA... I saw a meme that said this... 35 YO comes up from his mothers basement, where he lives. Said his day was full doing ANTIFA stuff... Mother says that's great honey... Made him a lunch and pecked him on the cheek and wished him well.

    LOL! So I'm not the only one wondering what goes through these peoples' heads. They're insane.

    The differences between George Floyd and M.M. is that the left was able
    to push back and riot making the authorities back off and let them run amuck. They told the police to stand down... The rest is history.

    Right. It was near the end of Trump's term, and he couldn't do a hell of a lot. Now he can!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jan 13 07:21:55 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Part of the problem has got to be the cold weather. Even me, I don't go outside much during the winter. I get more TV than I get fresh air
    (it's a bad habit.) Luckily I'm not consumed by the TV though (Joseph, Bjorn. Alan.)

    I think it's more incidious than that.

    As a kid, my parents encouraged learning and even in winter, when I didn't want to go out as often, I still explored mentally.

    But what happens to a kid when their parents don't encourage learning?

    What happens when teachers don't encourage learning and exploring and critical thinking?

    When I was in school, I usually got along pretty well with my teachers. But looking back, I can see that the ones that I didn't get along with were very similar: Incompetent. "Don't ask questions. Just do what you're told." And today, those bad teachers are the norm, not the exception - by design.

    We also have to factor in some stuff that Thomas Sowell wrote about.

    Southern blacks, especially ones that escaped, went as far north as they could.
    The farther north they went, the less chance that they would be taken back to the South. Over time, they developed successful businesses and became respected people in the community.

    The old segregation thinking would take a while to go away, but it was fading pretty fast. Then the Left pushed the black trash up to the north into the enclaves that the successful blacks had established. That move wrecked those areas. The successful blacks moved out. And much of the respect that they had earned was destroyed. A criminal black and an honest black look the same.

    Then you have the media popularizing the "gansta" culture and you start getting Wiggers.

    He encourages me to go to college, but he had no clue that they would successfully brainwash me there. He thought they'd just teach me how to
    be more financially successful. So there's that side of the story too; some people are lucky enough to have it in them to break the chains.

    College offered the opportunity to grow and be educated. But you had to stand your ground and question. College was 30 years ago for me, but even then, I had to take control of my education and not let the Lefties push me into something that was bad. It's even worse now.

    But the "you need to go to college to be successful" propaganda was pushed for a long time.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Jan 13 07:21:55 2026
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    In 2024 they offer Tampon the VP position, payment I guess.

    No. Kamala simply needed a VP stupider than she is.

    Both were chosen because they would follow orders and not try to think for themselves.

    Trump dealt with Minnesota and M.M. event differently... He sent more
    ICE agent to the state, he added 300 more today.

    And they are suing to get ICE out, which is a laugh - but it's also an indication that they know that the jig is up.

    Tampon is probably going to jail and he knows it.

    Yup. As soon as he can get out of the light, I'm sure he'll head to Canada.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jan 13 07:21:55 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

    LOL! So I'm not the only one wondering what goes through these peoples' heads. They're insane.

    Like I said, they are living in a delusion. They are in a fictional story in which they are the main character. Reality doesn't factor in, until they run into it like a brick wall.

    They are clinically insane. Actually worse: they are violent and insane.

    It's scary to think, but I wonder how long it will be before people start seeing them as no different than rabid dogs.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Jan 14 14:53:44 2026
    On 12 Jan 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    Hopefully L.L. will be doing that from prison.


    People are stupid. The DOJ wanted to pursue an investigation into LL's participation in that even. This would take the local DA's office to look into it.

    Well, resignations were given... So, the DOJ is sending a batch of Attorneys to help out. None of the new Attorneys being sent care about left-wing nut-jobs.

    Interesting.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Jan 14 14:59:30 2026
    On 13 Jan 2026, Ron L. said the following...

    Yup. As soon as he can get out of the light, I'm sure he'll head to Canada.


    Did you know M.M. and L.L. fled to Canada... Like an other famous lesbian who went to Ireland but couldn't keep her mouth shut... They went back to the US to join in on all the ANTIFA games.

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  • From randy L@1:120/616 to Ron L. on Wed Jan 14 18:35:56 2026
    outside much during the winter. I get more TV than I get fresh air (it's a bad habit.) Luckily I'm not consumed by the TV though (Joseph Bjorn. Alan.)

    I think it's more incidious than that.

    As a kid, my parents encouraged learning and even in winter, when I
    didn't want to go out as often, I still explored mentally.

    But what happens to a kid when their parents don't encourage learning?

    It's partly the parents' fault no matter what. I've only met 3 other parents in the district who are openly not brainwashed.

    When I was in school, I usually got along pretty well with my teachers. But looking back, I can see that the ones that I didn't get along with were very similar: Incompetent. "Don't ask questions. Just do what you're told." And today, those bad teachers are the norm, not the exception - by design.

    Same here. But where did they get all that ignorance from? I'll assume that the teachers in the southern states are smarter, mostly due to their political decisions.

    The old segregation thinking would take a while to go away, but it was fading pretty fast. Then the Left pushed the black trash up to the
    north into the enclaves that the successful blacks had established. That move wrecked those areas. The successful blacks moved out. And much of the respect that they had earned was destroyed. A criminal black and an honest black look the same.

    This makes sense! So while most of the good ones moved back to the south, we're stuck here with the disgruntled ones. And the leftists in office are sitrring the pot to make them even angrier with us, the guys who set their ancestors free.

    Then you have the media popularizing the "gansta" culture and you start getting Wiggers.

    But the media is broadcast all over the USA. Why are northern state idiots more susceptible to the wigger disease?

    But the "you need to go to college to be successful" propaganda was
    pushed for a long time.

    I'm sure that it works out well for many people, but now I see through the pressure campaign; the elitists want college to be desirable, and they want to build an infrastructure of useless institutions.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to randy L on Thu Jan 15 07:39:18 2026
    randy L wrote to Dr. What <=-

    When I was in school, I usually got along pretty well with my teachers. But looking back, I can see that the ones that I didn't get along with were very similar: Incompetent. "Don't ask questions. Just do what you're told." And today, those bad teachers are the norm, not the exception - by design.

    Same here. But where did they get all that ignorance from?

    It accumulated over time by creating incentives.

    1. Power to the Unions - which makes education seem unnecessary. "Look at how much I can make and I didn't graduate high school!"
    2. A population that thinks education isn't necessary doesn't want to pay for it. So low pay for the teachers.
    3. Good teachers have a choice: Work in a place where you won't get paid well and will be disrespected, or do something else. I've known good teachers who've left the education system for this reason.
    4. Education is required by the state, so they have to hire someone. So we get the people who literally can't do anything else.

    I'll assume
    that the teachers in the southern states are smarter, mostly due to
    their political decisions.

    Not necessairly a valid assumption. It all depends on the situation.

    Remember that this was a long-term thing. They didn't want this to happen overnight because people would notice what they were doing.

    Then you have the media popularizing the "gansta" culture and you start getting Wiggers.

    But the media is broadcast all over the USA. Why are northern state
    idiots more susceptible to the wigger disease?

    Who knows. Like I said, this is a long-term thing. Counterculture has always been looked at favorably by the younger crowd.

    Or perhaps the wiggers in the north simply didn't associate with real low-life blacks where that would be more common in the south. Speculation here.

    I'm sure that it works out well for many people, but now I see through
    the pressure campaign; the elitists want college to be desirable, and
    they want to build an infrastructure of useless institutions.

    Yup. Colleges have always been a haven for people who can't perform.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Jan 15 14:22:06 2026
    4. Education is required by the state, so they have to hire someone. So we get the people who literally can't do anything else.

    I guess that anyone who's good at memorizing things can get a degree in Education, and anyone who's willing to be a parrot for the left and pay union dues at the same time, is really all the district is looking for in a candidate.

    But the media is broadcast all over the USA. Why are northern state idiots more susceptible to the wigger disease?

    Who knows. Like I said, this is a long-term thing. Counterculture has always been looked at favorably by the younger crowd.

    I get what you mean about the "counterculture." In the late 80s, the cool kids were the ones who were into heavy metal. But then it shifted towards rap/wiggerization in the early 90s. But despite anyone's musical preferences, we were all wanna be's to some extent, and heavily brainwashed by television and radio. That's why they'll do whatever Bon Jovi or Dr Dre say.

    But the southerners (I suspect) are more open to country music, and fortunately most country singers have nothing but good values and good advice.

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