The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc.
Republicans such as Trump want ALL illegals deported in general which creates much conflict.


How about just deporting the serious felons only. Perhaps have an amnesty that bans all illegals from being citizens for life. Resident and work permit, but if you commit a serious crime you would be tossed out.

Also we should get rid of birthright citizenship. That would largely solve the issue as well. Nations such as the United Kingdom changed their rules in the early 1980s, we could do the same as well.

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Re: immigration third way
By: Utopian Galt to All on Fri Nov 07 2025 08:52 am

The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected
including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc. Republicans such as Trump want ALL illegals deported in general
which creates much conflict.

How about just deporting the serious felons only. Perhaps have an
amnesty that bans all illegals from being citizens for life. Resident
and work permit, but if you commit a serious crime you would be
tossed out.

they do deport serious felons. they just come back in.
they had an amnesty in the past and not many participated in it.
these people do not want to be citizens in the usa. they want to take advantage of it and not contribute.

i think there should be a better path to citizenship, but we have a better path than all the other countries. it's not that difficult to be a resident alien as well. i know a few of those.

Also we should get rid of birthright citizenship. That would largely
solve the issue as well. Nations such as the United Kingdom changed
their rules in the early 1980s, we could do the same as well.

i dont think it would solve any issue. people have kids when they arent from the usa and that causes problems.

What these people need to do is learn to speak the language, act lawfully and have a path to citizenship. they should be forced to take it or leave. perhaps they can have financial assistance and other support to have them focused on reaching that goal. if they cant meet the requirements, send them home.
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Re: immigration third way
By: Utopian Galt to All on Fri Nov 07 2025 08:52 am

The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc. Republicans such as Trump want ALL illegals deported in general which creates much conflict.

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

How about just deporting the serious felons only. Perhaps have an amnesty that bans all illegals from being citizens for life. Resident and work permit, but if you commit a serious crime you would be tossed out.

If you're *convicted* of a crime, I agree. I don't think any country would allow a felon to remain.

Hint: we also need immigration reform so that people can come to this country, work, contribute taxes as they already do, and punish employers who exploit the system. But, see my earlier message about campaign finance reform.

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Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc. Republicans
such as Trump want ALL illegals deported in general which creates much conflict.

If we do NOT deport ALL, then we are still leaving criminals here.
And I mean 'criminal' becasue they are breaking the law being here.

How about just deporting the serious felons only.

I agree with this if it's FIRST instead of only.

Also we should get rid of birthright citizenship. That would largely
solve the issue as well. Nations such as the United Kingdom changed
their rules in the early 1980s, we could do the same as well.

That's an interesting take! I would support that...



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

Re: immigration third way
By: Utopian Galt to All on Fri Nov 07 2025 08:52 am

The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc. Republicans such as Trump want ALL illegals deported in general which creates much conflict.

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

How about just deporting the serious felons only. Perhaps have an amnesty that bans all illegals from being citizens for life. Resident and work permit, but if you commit a serious crime you would be tossed out.

If you're *convicted* of a crime, I agree. I don't think any country
would allow a felon to remain.

Do you think ONLY felonies?

Hint: we also need immigration reform so that people can come to this country, work, contribute taxes as they already do, and punish
employers who exploit the system. But, see my earlier message about campaign finance reform.

I admit I don't know the details about the immigration process, but
my understanding is there is already a legal path. What about it
needs reform?


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Re: Re: immigration third way
By: jimmylogan to Utopian Galt on Wed Nov 19 2025 07:45 am

Also we should get rid of birthright citizenship. That would largely solve the issue as well. Nations such as the United Kingdom changed their rules in the early 1980s, we could do the same as well.

That's an interesting take! I would support that...

Me too...

And while we are at it... I support the elimination of crime by eliminating the criminals...

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Re: Re: immigration third way
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 19 2025 07:45 am

I admit I don't know the details about the immigration process,
but my understanding is there is already a legal path. What about
it needs reform?

they can be a resident alien. if they commit crimes they are out of here.

there's too many programs to take advantage of illegal immigrants and get money from various sources. it's probably billions.
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jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

I think you might want to re-read the Constitution.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation."

How about just deporting the serious felons only. Perhaps have an amnesty that bans all illegals from being citizens for life. Resident and work permit, but if you commit a serious crime you would be tossed out.

If you're *convicted* of a crime, I agree. I don't think any country
would allow a felon to remain.

Do you think ONLY felonies?

Hint: we also need immigration reform so that people can come to this country, work, contribute taxes as they already do, and punish
employers who exploit the system. But, see my earlier message about campaign finance reform.

I admit I don't know the details about the immigration process, but
my understanding is there is already a legal path. What about it
needs reform?

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Re: Re: immigration third way
By: jimmylogan to Utopian Galt on Wed Nov 19 2025 07:45 am

Also we should get rid of birthright citizenship. That would largely solve the issue as well. Nations such as the United Kingdom changed their rules in the early 1980s, we could do the same as well.

That's an interesting take! I would support that...

Me too...

And while we are at it... I support the elimination of crime by eliminating the criminals...

For the record, me too - as far as murder, rape, etc.



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MRO wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Re: Re: immigration third way
By: jimmylogan to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 19 2025 07:45 am

I admit I don't know the details about the immigration process,
but my understanding is there is already a legal path. What about
it needs reform?

they can be a resident alien. if they commit crimes they are out of
here.

there's too many programs to take advantage of illegal immigrants and
get money from various sources. it's probably billions.

Ah - I assumed you meant reform as in make it EASIER for them to come in,
not reform as in make it easier to get RID of them for becoming a
criminal. ABSOLUTELY in favor of this!



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

I think you might want to re-read the Constitution.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

This is absolutely right - non-citizens are indeed "protected" by the Constitution.

However.... there *are* nuances and slight variations to this, as the
rights *CAN* be affected by immigration status.

This fact can easily be proven by a little research, here is one link
that supports that statement:

https://writofmandamus.com/does-a-non-citizen-have-constitutional-rights/

There are plenty of others, too.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

I think you might want to re-read the Constitution.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Okay - you're right that the 5th Amendment doesn't specify "citizens."
Your quote is correct: it says "person," so due process applies to
anyone under U.S. jurisdiction.

My point was that the same full set of rights doesn't extend to
non-citizens. They don't have the right to vote, hold office,
or automatically remain in the country. Due process should
absolutely happen in each case - no one should be dragged off
just because they donƒ€™t have paperwork on them.

But once due process establishes that someone is here illegally,
that's where deportation is appropriate, not extended stays or
special privileges.




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The problem is Democrats largely want ALL illegals protected including rapists, murderers, serial theives that steal cars etc. Republicans such as
Trump want ALL illegals deported in general which creates much conflict.

I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

If you read the part about due process, that is questionable. Due process protection is worded to apply to "persons" rather than "citizens," IIRC.

After all, you sort of need due process in order to get a chance to prove you are a citizen, do you not?

There used to be some in the FIDO POLITICS echo that thought the only proof
you needed was to be white and to speak English but that is not the case.


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Re: Re: immigration third way
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jimmylogan on Thu Nov 20 2025 09:

Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

I think you might want to re-read the Constitution.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand
Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor
shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice

i think what are you getting at is due process for illegal immigrants being deported. lookup expedited removal.

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Re: Re: immigration third way
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Thu Nov 20 2025 11:35 am

Ah - I assumed you meant reform as in make it EASIER for them to come
in, not reform as in make it easier to get RID of them for becoming
a criminal. ABSOLUTELY in favor of this!

i want reform to simplify the process of becoming an american citizen.
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