• Re: Most memorable modern

    From Bogomips@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 25 04:02:46 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bogomips on Sat May 24 2025 07:33 am

    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

    American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)

    It most certainly was. Due to import rules there was no way to replicate it.

    Some of the stuff the monks made would count as a meal.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    1st tour was stationed by the Chek border attached to 3/2nd Armored
    Cavalry who patrolled the border zone. 2nd tour was in Wiesbaden, in a

    My first duty station was in Wiesbaden. 81-82

    I was in Wiesbaden 83-87. Just missed you! Wiesbaden/Mainz was a great
    area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
    ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).

    The Citroen was the Pallas model, had options like a Cadillac.
    Pneumatic Hydraulic suspension that rose when you started the car.

    Fond memories. Of course there was the AAFES Video/Audio/Photo mart
    where you could get pretty much anything you were looking for in those
    categories.

    Good times in Europe.

    Have a great day!

    Cougar

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Fri May 23 2025 10:20 pm

    didn't even think about Hitler while I was there. Too busy visiting all
    the small towns in the area and checking all the bakeries bratwurst
    stands and breweries!

    Have a great day!

    We used to just get on a train and not even know the town we got off
    at. Rooms at the Gasthaus were around 8 dollars and came with
    breakfast. Good times. Then part of my duty was driving all over
    Germany checking survey markers, staying at Gasthauses and playing kegelban.

    Was never any good at bowling, so I didn't even try. But it sounds like
    we are kindred spirits. I loved just visiting all the little burgs and
    getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
    great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
    get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!

    I wish you a great day.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 25 08:04:06 2025
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    I was 19 years old and having the time of my life.

    American beer must have been a letdown when you came back home. :)

    I brought back a case of Wiezen in flip top bottles. The German packers
    put it in my household goods for me.

    American beer is (was) about 1/2 as strong as the real thing in
    Germany. Duppelbock was about twice as strong as American beer.

    They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
    much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.

    Best regards!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Sun May 25 16:19:16 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Matthew Munson to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Sat May 24 2025 09:58 am

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but it is not.

    What's the difference between the TikTok and "Chinese TikTok" that you mention here? I thought TikTok simply was a Chinese thing?

    I'd never heard of TikTok until I heard something in the news in 2020 saying it was a Chinese thing and people were worried it could contain spyware and we should avoid using it.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Matthew Munson on Mon May 26 10:17:50 2025
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    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I
    do an American company! :)



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FORIEST JAN SMITH on Mon May 26 09:29:00 2025
    On that second point, why do you think that certain countries like China, Russia, and Pakistan (to name a few) restrict social media and/or maintain their own versions? To keep foreigners, and their governments, from influencing their populace.

    Kind of why China kind of freaked out when US users got access to that Chinese >social media app, lol

    Exactly! I had forgot about that. ;)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 26 20:26:00 2025
    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew Munson:

    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon May 26 22:27:33 2025
    Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 26 2025 08:26 pm


    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    yep our information is a commodity.
    they get you coming and going, no matter what you are using.
    it's crazy to see how it works. they even detect how long you look
    at something.
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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to OGG on Tue May 27 06:57:14 2025
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    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
    Munson:
    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:13:25 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    area to explore. I took my Citroen GSA up the river and crossed on a
    ferry to visit a castle (of which I can't remember the name).


    Good times in Europe.

    Have a great day!

    Sounds like Bingen over to Rudeshiem? I've probably been to the same castle. There was a torture museum there also. Didn't know about it at the time, but saw in on a PBS show.

    I was always amazed at the buildings and cobblestone streets.

    You have a great day, as well

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:20:49 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to BOGOMIPS on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    getting lunch and dinner at different Gasthauses. The hallenbad's were
    great also. I feel like I should stop over at your place and we could
    get lunch somewhere to talk about old times!

    I wish you a great day.

    It seemed like every other weekend there was a Fest for something. Beer trucks like Tanker trucks.

    I have a couple of photo albums, I'm sure we could find plenty to talk about

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Cougar428 on Tue May 27 05:25:22 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Cougar428 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 25 2025 08:04 am

    They are both good, but I enjoyed German beer more. Now I don't drink
    much. Might have a beer once in a 'Blue Moon' if you'll pardon the pun.

    I stopped drinking in the mid 80s, I drank my whole allotment in Germany. Went to CO after Germany and wasn't 21 yet, so it was 3.2%. When my wife got to CO I lied about her age on the application for ID so She would be 21 and able to buy at the class 6. All they asked for was a marriage certificate.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Tue May 27 11:38:02 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat May 24 2025 12:08 am

    I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
    because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
    and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
    problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.

    Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized politically.

    Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Cougar428 on Wed May 28 08:50:00 2025
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    Hello pF!

    ** On Monday 26.05.25 - 10:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matthew
    Munson:
    People think that TikTok was a trojan horse to poison the American
    culture and society. People thought Chineese TikTok was the same, but
    it is not.

    Nowadays, I feel like I trust a Chinese social media company more than I do an American company! :)

    All the apps probably snoop at Contacts and browser activity.

    Thats one of the best reasons NOT to use them. Any of them.

    I know for a fact, that Facebook will build a profile of you, even if you don't have an account. If other people have you in their contacts, then its already got you name and knows who knows you.

    Not only do you have to not have an account, but you have to stop other people sharing their contact lists with it. If they've posted family pictures, and you're in it, it has your face.

    It truly is a monstrous beast.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Wed May 28 09:19:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
    May 24 2025 12:08 am

    I can't see any justifiable reason for this "I can fire someone
    because they have views I don't like" argument, except a very childish
    and immature inability to deal with other people. That is YOUR
    problem. It is not the employees problem, and it is certaintly not something the state should accomodate.

    Well, it boils down to acknowledging that having the State telling you which reasons are justifiable for contract termination is dangerous, because when the list becomes too complex to understand, employers
    cease employing people altogether. aka. welcome to Spain. Also, as
    things stand, that sort of thing tends to become weaponized
    politically.

    Honestly, the reasonable way to solve it as an employees is just not applying to positions at firms that seem likely to pull such a dick
    move to begin with. The firms that do usually advertise themselves as virtue signaling scumbags openly so they are easy enough to avoid. When
    I was doing research for magazine publishers I could skip about half
    the available ones just because they seemed like the sort of people who would resort to ideological assassination. Frankly, if you are working
    in such firm and they decide they want to kick you out, the worst thing that can happen is the State prevents them from firing you, because you end up working in a position nobody wants to keep you in.

    And this is why the left wing extremists win.

    Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
    run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western
    civilisation to tear apart...

    When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
    advocating for our own emisseration.

    I'm convinced half the reason we are in this mess, is because the "opposition" just think they make chose their way out.

    No, they have to be removed from *our* institutions.

    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.

    PRotecting the employee is simply a matter of
    1) Acknowledging the reality that if a contractor is fulfilling a contract, and the contractee requires the contract fulfilled, then arbitrary termination must be justified, and if not, compensation is wrranted.
    2) It is a breach of human rights to have a contract which infringes free speech, and such contracts are not legal, just in the same way a contract of slavery is not legal.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Wed May 28 05:47:38 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am

    And this is why the left wing extremists win.

    Because the other sides solution is to "avoid" and "move on". Eventually you
    run out of places to run to. You may as well just hand them Western

    civilisation to tear apart...

    When you constantly retreat, you LOSE. You are
    advocating for our own emisseration.


    The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance. Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.

    Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody would know they are official failures.

    The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies" because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.

    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
    suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.


    Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can. If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination. The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to back off.

    And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu May 29 08:19:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Wed May 28 2025 09:19 am

    The fun part is I am an advocate of the stand-and-fight stance.
    Refusing to work for open virtual signalers is a stand-and-fight
    strategy. Trying to force your way into a company where nobody wants
    you is just silly. I much prefer to find a non-nonsense workplace I
    like to work in and make that company successful - which is actually working well for me - while woke companies deprive themselves of good employees.

    Meanwhile woke companies might seem strong but they are running out of steam faster than you'd expect. This is very patent in the videogame industry because new generations of gamers are rejecting active indoctrination whereas politized companies won't change gears. This is leading to big budget projects worth hundreds of millions being
    declared flopped less than a month after release. The end result is
    that woke companies such as Ubisoft are getting quietly split into packages and sold quietly so nobody notices because then everybody
    would know they are official failures.

    The only thing keeping half woke enterprises alive at this point is funding from the administration. If that were cut the whole sillyness would be over. Hell, one of the effects of the famous DODGE cuts was
    the termination of some South American woke journalism "agencies"
    because they could not pay employees without administrative funding. We are talking about agencies getting bankrupt in 48h.

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    This is my experience. The company does something from the woke/ESG
    agenda, and only those of a particular narrow political niche are
    enthused. Heck, many of them are just following along but don't
    understand. The rest roll their eyes, keep their head down, maybe
    make a private comment to me, but thats it.

    With regards to "go woke, go broke". MAybe, but they do a lot of
    damage in the meantime. All wars end too, but they're not fun
    fighting, and people get hurt. The fact that it will all end at some
    point doesn't really give solace when you have to waste precious years
    of your life under their misery.

    I simply cannot let these cretins get away with this.


    I think you have it backwards. It is the employer in the wrong. They are
    suddenly terminating a contract for reasons that have *nothing* to do with the contractual requirements. The employee certaintly has grounds to argue that the termination was unjust! All the state is doing, is ensuring that the termination of the contract is just, as would be the case in any other contractual dispute. To argue that the state shouldn'be be involved is absurd, as all contracts are valid because the state considers them valid. Thats why you can't be my slave, because such a contract is not valid.


    Well, on principle, if one part of the contract has the right to
    terminate it unilaterally then it makes sense the other part also can.
    If I can quit the company with no need to justify myself then it makes sense the company needs no t justify itself for contract termination.
    The exception would be when - as happens with big business to business contracts - one of the parts takes a big upfront expense in order to initiate the contract, in which case the other part of the deal is required to cover the loses of the first contractor if they decide to
    back off.

    And yeah there are lots of labor law but when I see the end results I
    am not thrilled by it. For starters, when firing people is hard then
    you don't hire people, specially if most candidates for job positions
    are likely to flop on you. Again, welcome to Spain. No wonder half the economy in Spain is estimated to be underground. --

    What in the case of an employer who is harassed by activits to fire
    someone? I would wager most times this happens, the employer is
    acting out of fear. At will contracts exacerbate this, because the
    activist scum know the employer can fire. If the employer cannot
    fire, then the activists are in the wrong, and the employer can, and
    should, take the actvists to court, as the activists are harrasing the
    employer to commit an illegal act.

    Lastly, the employee is not a slave. No human being should have to
    work against their will, therefore an employment contract must not
    require someone to provide labour against their will. If the employee
    decides not to work, they don't have to turn up, there is no mechanism
    to force them to. However, in Australia, that would mean forfeiting
    your leave at an amount up to and including the notice period. The
    employer also has the right to withdraw their labour at any time too,
    so I don't see the disconnect here. if I employ you, I can stop
    working tomorrow if I wish too. No one is being forced to work here.

    Termination because of speech outside of work is an infringement of
    rights, and no contract which explicitely or implicitely says this is
    valid. No contract can infringe upon your rights. It can be
    terminated because of lack of fulfillment, redundancy, breaking
    certain conditions and stipulations, or just because the work no
    longer is required or desired. But "I don't like you" has zero, zero
    to do with the contract.

    You are conflating this with other employment laws. My criticism was specifically of THIS issue, firing someone because you disagreed with
    what they think in private. Other employment protection laws, I
    didn't comment on those.

    To e honest, if I ran a company, and a manager did this, I would fire
    the MANAGER.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Thu May 29 03:18:47 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    It... depends...

    Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.

    My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.

    And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.

    Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri May 30 07:04:00 2025
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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Thu May 29 2025 08:19 am

    What happens when they take over the company you are working at? Your
    company was not realy woke, then becomes very woke? That is then
    infringing upon me. In this case, I think its justified to stand your
    ground. Also, a lot of people don't go for this, so its not just me
    alone. You can be sure that many, many employees would side with you,
    at least in private. They are too worried about HR repurcussions to
    speak up.

    It... depends...

    Quite frankly, this is the equivalent of having your company purchased
    by a new owner that has no idea of how the business is run. You are certain they are going to crash the whole train. What people does in
    these cases is to leave en masse. Quite often whole teams leave at once and build a competing alternative, at least that is my experience.

    My experience is also that you can't fix management because management only hears what they want to hear. If management goes funky you have no hope of making it right because they are more powerful than you within
    the company structure. Wise people only fights battles they can win.

    And frankly, that seems to be working quite well because when you work
    at "ground" level you don't see much ideological crap in economic activities. When I go do my shopping or whatever it is rare to find
    woke in the real world. Yeah, some banks or supermarkets do a bunch of virtue signaling but those are easy enough to ostrazise.

    Seriously, if there is reason to be concerned, is the amount of institutional advertisement we get. Europe is starting to look like
    North Korea with so many ideological advertisements paid with contributor's money on TV and on the streets.

    The problem as I see it is that one political side is willing to throw
    out undesirables, to use rhetoric and power to sieze the moral
    zeitgeist, and other...isn't. At least not now.

    Some even go so far as to call anyone "right wing" who does actually
    want to prevent the emmiseration of their nation by being politically
    militant as "woke right".

    The prevailing ideology should be *mine*. If it not mine, or aligned
    with me, it will be someone elses, and I'll be the victim.

    You are either a predator or prey, and it seems that that anyone right
    of "centrist" just seems to focus on how live as a victim, rather than
    turning the tables.

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

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  • From anthk@VERT to All on Thu May 29 23:59:22 2025
    On 2025-05-03, Boraxman <MSRDBBS!Boraxman@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
    Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
    Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).

    Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).

    Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh, and PC).

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Boraxman on Fri May 30 04:41:01 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am


    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
    In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographics of the area.

    End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no business being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever heard a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?

    But, like you said, it's not managements fault because they don't make bad decisions. Peter Principle.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Fri May 30 07:51:07 2025
    Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt
    paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they
    need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of
    obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts -
    lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids.
    Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to anthk on Fri May 30 18:53:48 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: anthk to All on Thu May 29 2025 11:59 pm


    Just use Bitlbee (libpurple build) with any IRC client.

    bitlbee has a learning curve and the avg joe wouldn't want to mess with it to configure it with the protocols they use.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 30 20:38:49 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    As a person who is *decidedly* "not-left", I like this post, and agree
    with everything in it.

    But..., the only problem with ALL of that is that the money allocated to
    such things is generally wasted/frauded/abused/stolen/diverted by
    corrupt assholes and doesn't get used for what it's meant for.

    Just like all other "social programs" like welfare/foodstamps/rent, etc.

    The "answer" to all of that, by the Left, is to increase taxes on all of
    us, rather than STOPPING the corruption and blatant mis-management.
    That's a problem for me. <SHRUG>

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.

    I don't doubt it. I only recently subscribed to that sewer, and am
    going to pull the plug on it, today.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to anthk on Sat May 31 14:16:53 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: anthk to All on Thu May 29 2025 11:59 pm

    On 2025-05-03, Boraxman <MSRDBBS!Boraxman@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

    phigan wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker
    Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am

    Maybe I'll check out Matrix.

    Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for smal chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me bias ;).

    Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look tha up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not b tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although Reddit is probably the best one).

    Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notic and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety people around and participating here and there. I say this frequentin BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh and PC).

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
    it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
    use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
    client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
    can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
    used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
    Yahoo! Chat account.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Bogomips on Sat May 31 14:19:27 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Boraxman on Fri May 30 2025 04:41 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am


    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
    In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographi of the area.

    End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no busin being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever hea a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?

    But, like you said, it's not managements fault because they don't make bad decisions. Peter Principle.

    These people who force these policies will have to be held accountable at some time./

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 31 14:26:34 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 30 2025 07:51 am

    Boraxman wrote to Arelor <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they
    need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of
    obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts -
    lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids.
    Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.

    This is what I concieve to be a disengenuous article.

    Leftists always say that its about "healthcare". Bullshit.

    I passed by a rally with literall COMMUNISTS. I know they are full on communists who are wanting to overturn the system and engage in class war, because I used to go to their meetings and this is what they say.

    Yet at the rally, when I asked someone from a different party who was there, whether they were awere there were Communists who advocated a Class war and far Left ideals, they just rattled on about "Healthcare", as if that is all they were about.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, and presume you aren't aware of the extreme politics the far Left push, but its not what you say it is.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Gamgee on Sun Jun 1 12:16:00 2025
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    @MSGID: <683A5DA9.37903.dove-general@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
    @REPLY: <6839C5DB.1663.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I'm tired of having to duck and weave. People that promote DEI, far
    Left politics, the have to GO.

    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.

    Having some form of socialized health care so people don't go bankrupt paying medical bills? Being able to provide care for people before they need to go to an emergency room because they don't have a means of obtaining health care otherwise?

    Providing school lunches so kids who otherwise wouldn't get a
    meal can go through school with something in their stomach and learn
    more effectively?

    There are countless other social programs that have societal impacts - lower emergency care costs, higher school test scores and smarter kids. Both of which benefit society as a whole.

    As a person who is *decidedly* "not-left", I like this post, and agree with everything in it.

    But..., the only problem with ALL of that is that the money allocated
    to such things is generally wasted/frauded/abused/stolen/diverted by corrupt assholes and doesn't get used for what it's meant for.

    Just like all other "social programs" like welfare/foodstamps/rent,
    etc.

    The "answer" to all of that, by the Left, is to increase taxes on all
    of us, rather than STOPPING the corruption and blatant mis-management. That's a problem for me. <SHRUG>

    I've been called far left on the Fido Politics board.

    I don't doubt it. I only recently subscribed to that sewer, and am
    going to pull the plug on it, today.



    The problem with the far left is they use Trojan Horse politics.

    They talk about "inclusion" and "tolerance" and "social welfare", but as
    soon as they have any power, they start pushing their fringe politics.
    They simply hide their intention.

    People keep falling for it over and over and over again. How do you
    think you end up with Drag Queens shaking their ass in front of 5 year
    old kids who stuff dollar bills into their g-string? How do you think you
    end up with schools teaching children about fringe far-left sexual politics
    and "the gender spectrum"? It was by accepting very, very innocent sounding programs which seemed, on the surface, to be totally justifiable.



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  • From Snobsoft@VERT/PARTYBOW to Boraxman on Sun Jun 1 01:02:18 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am

    why are you formatting your text
    like that?

    For my C64 :D

    An actual real C64?

    You know, I think some of us (me at
    least!) would be joyed to see a
    photo
    of our post as displayed by the C64,
    especially if you're using a CRT
    display.


    Done. It turned into a video – more details in the Ad Section :D

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Mon Jun 2 13:01:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri May 09 2025 11:12 pm

    Why? I'd rather not waste the gas and add wear & tear to my car.. Also when I get groceries, it could sometimes take about an hour by the time I'm done getting through the store & waiting in the checkout line to pay.. I'm not going to leave my car idling for an hour while I shop.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Boraxman on Tue Jun 3 10:56:24 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:04 am


    The problem as I see it is that one political side is willing to throw
    out undesirables, to use rhetoric and power to sieze the moral
    zeitgeist, and other...isn't. At least not now.


    Well the bottom of the line is that regular people does not recognize the fact there is such a thing as a culture war, therefore they don't have a reason to fight it.

    But even then, that is changing quite quickly.

    I mean, when Black Panther was released I openly declared to my group of friends I was giving up on Marvel and Disney entirely beause they had made a movie that criminalized being white, and they called me an extremist. Fast forward 5 years and they all have given up on Marvel/Disney because they have reached the conclusion they are The Enemy.

    The problem is all the other people who does not want to realize some company is actively criminalizing them, because the easy thing to do is believe it is not. That group of people is dwinling quickly because cultural preassure has raised so much.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Bogomips on Tue Jun 3 11:02:51 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Bogomips to Boraxman on Fri May 30 2025 04:41 am

    I worked for a company that used to be the worlds number one commercial printer.
    In the 90s, corporate decided that the workforce had to match the demographics of the area.

    End result, women getting promoted and/or put in positions they had no business being in. Example, a woman/girl working on a multi-million dollar piece of equipment when she couldn't even fix a chain on a bicycle. Have you ever heard a girl scream when she gets caught in a piece of machinery?

    It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI picks, and eventually none of the DEI picks showed up for the job. And then when they went to pick the next 3 best they had excluded they could not find them. Karma is a bitch..
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jun 3 11:25:48 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Fri May 30 2025 07:51 am


    Who's to say what's far left? It's too easy to lump whatever you want
    into "Woke" or "Far Left" and not debate the merits.


    If people feel that labeling stuff as "far-right" is legit then I am sure as heck we can also apply the "far-left" tag liberally.

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    The fun part is that once you apply that reasonable mark you realize you would be putting more than half the left-wing parties to the shopping block.


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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Tue Jun 3 06:15:10 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Bogomips on Sat May 31 2025 02:19 pm

    These people who force these policies will have to be held accountable at some time./

    Agreed... but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Arelor on Wed Jun 4 06:17:20 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to Bogomips on Tue Jun 03 2025 11:02 am

    It makes me wonder if it is the same printer making company that had 10 open possitions, organized an exam, picked the 7 best and then 3 random DEI

    That reminds me of the last job I had. To be a technician you had to take an aptitude test. You could take it as many times as needed to pass. The DEI's would just take a picture of the test the first time since they would fail. Then the second time, they had the answers off the interweb. Un proctered. Eventually they just stopped requiering the exam all together.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Wed Jun 4 17:13:41 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on
    political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 05:47:04 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Fri Jun 6 07:19:54 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
    "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.




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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 10:12:48 2025
    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Jun 6 12:22:07 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 05:47 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

    And as thing stands, I personally find that placing the cut on political programs that criminalize being a semi-wealthy white heterosexual is quite a reasonable mark.

    And what political program would that be?


    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white

    also as i mentioned before, in the uk they weighted the penalties based on race and sex.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 12:24:13 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.


    you can't remedy past actions from many decades ago. in our country those people that you talk about and secretly look down upon have many advantages to improve themselves. they are represented and THEN some.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    you mean like BLM shit? hahaha

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    you're part of the problem.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jcurtis on Fri Jun 6 12:25:00 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 10:12 am

    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    I was in an area where 'minorities' are the majority.

    people have been leaving. it's full of blight and crime.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 14:49:36 2025
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about
    "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument. There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied. The
    people who've lived under those conditions are the poorest, most
    incarcerated, least represented citizens.

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    Haven't heard about this one. Any examples that you could provide?

    Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
    from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for? Oh, and also
    like the renaming of military installations because they had
    "offensive" names?

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
    problem be "fixed"?



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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 6 17:08:56 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    You mean like... George Floyd?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Fri Jun 6 19:43:14 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 10:12 am

    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Fri Jun 6 20:21:10 2025
    There's been 250 years of systemic
    prejudice against a people that somehow needs to be remedied

    IDK why. It hasn't stopped them from breeding. Look out if they ever
    reach majority.

    That doesn't sound like something Jesus would say.

    It's a factual observation of human nature. People tend to abuse a
    dominant position. Jesus was not naive about it. And said so.

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  • From Bogomips@VERT to Gamgee on Sun Jun 8 17:59:33 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 06 2025 02:49 pm

    I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
    problem persists.

    What solution *would* you choose, pray tell? How, exactly, can this
    problem be "fixed"?


    For starters we could give them their own colleges.
    Maybe even their own t.v. networks.
    How about job opportunites that they aren't qualified for?
    If all else fails, we can stand idely by and just let them kill
    each other.
    Let's teach ebonics in the schools.
    It's just a thought

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Bf2k+ on Mon Jun 9 08:03:19 2025
    Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    You mean like... George Floyd?

    The Tuskeegee Airmen.
    Medgar Evers.
    Colin Powell.
    Jackie Robinson.
    Charles Calvin Rogers.
    and more...





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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 9 12:58:15 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am


    Well, for starters, any political program that talks about "reparations" consisting in you having to pay a protected group for something somebody else did to a third party 250 years ago. It is virtually blaming you for things done by other person just because you happen to be an evil white motherfucker who has to pay.

    That's a very reductive argument.

    That is because some arguments are very simple. That does not mean they are bad.

    Translation in simple terms:

    - "Somebody who does extreme things is an extremist"

    - Your answer is that is a reductionist argument, then you justify extremist stances.

    Case is settled.





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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 9 18:43:44 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Mon Jun 09 2025 08:03 am

    Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Jun 06 2025 07:19 am

    Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
    famous and successful African-Americans.

    You mean like... George Floyd?

    The Tuskeegee Airmen.
    Medgar Evers.
    Colin Powell.
    Jackie Robinson.
    Charles Calvin Rogers.
    and more...

    that damn trump is so racist!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Tue Jun 10 08:14:39 2025
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That is because some arguments are very simple. That does not mean they are bad.

    Never said bad. Just incorrect.


    Translation in simple terms:

    - "Somebody who does extreme things is an extremist"

    - Your answer is that is a reductionist argument, then you justify extremist stances.

    Case is settled.

    Poor analogy, but I'll go with it.







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  • From Mrsteve@VERT to Jcurtis on Thu Jun 19 10:00:28 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Jcurtis to MRO on Wed May 14 2025 02:42 pm

    That is the same set-up I learned Novell on and took their certifications with. And back thenm I was anazed that it worked at all.

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  • From Mrsteve@VERT to Boraxman on Thu Jun 19 10:06:24 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu May 15 2025 08:03 am

    Arelor wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    _ Go Cloud And either get a cheap domain or DDNS Then Firewall your PC.

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  • From Softwing@VERT/X4D2ORG to Boraxman on Thu Jun 26 16:15:49 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 06 2025 08:09:00

    @MSGID: <68183A62.1171.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <68157B82.64965.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

    Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
    want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
    Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
    Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly) used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think Yahoo! Chat account.

    I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
    dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write messages on all the networks with Pidgin.

    Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a
    phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
    Iliked MSN because I didn't feel to concerned about giving people by MSN handle,
    strangers I could talk to that I wouldn't necessarily want to add in my phone book.

    I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and
    chat
    clients could work without a central controller.

    Hey;
    just an FYI, neither Signal, FB messenger, nor Telegram make people use phone numbers to share contacts. Instead you share contacts via username because phone numbers are outdated for that kinda thing.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Softwing on Thu Jun 26 22:17:57 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Softwing to Boraxman on Thu Jun 26 2025 04:15 pm

    Hey;
    just an FYI, neither Signal, FB messenger, nor Telegram make people use phone numbers to share contacts. Instead you share contacts via username because phone numbers are outdated for that kinda thing.

    dont know what you mean. i have phone contacts and i see them as their contact names on telegram, not their telegram user name.
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  • From Mrsteve@VERT to Boraxman on Sat Jun 28 19:17:47 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:05 pm

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu May 15 2025 01:27 am

    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 08:24 am

    now i'm not a criminal nor do i think any of us are criminals, but still, if you think you're secure on a
    world wide network of computers,
    you're fooling yourself. ---

    I previously had to deal with IT securty. What you are missing is where threats
    the
    NSA or what-have-you could potentially at some
    point get information, there is no point.


    i'm just saying the world govts and some private individuals probably have much more advanced methods than you
    might
    think.

    I'm sure a pirate of some sort could make good money breaking into a bank, hospital, govt agency and get whatever
    info they can people and sell it.

    it's probably happening all the time.

    Yes, I know that argument, and I know all to well the kind of person who makes that argument.

    You made your point. I get it.

    The fact that the government could find where I live, but you would NOT, that point is lost on you.

    By not plastering your info everywhere, you make it difficult for miscreants. I've been able to protect myself many
    times by being prudent, and I know that for a *FACT*.

    I'm not arguing this anymore

    So tell me, where do I live?

    * I Had to lookup the ELECTRONIC Communications ACT, and I have a File about this matter. But, The Electronic Frontier Foundation website (EFF) has lawyers !

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mrsteve on Sun Jun 29 22:13:33 2025
    Re: Re: Most memorable modern
    By: Mrsteve to Boraxman on Sat Jun 28 2025 07:17 pm

    By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 15 2025 07:05 pm
    * I Had to lookup the ELECTRONIC Communications ACT, and I have a File about this matter. But, The Electronic Frontier Foundation website (EFF) has lawyers !


    what's that got to do with this discussion?

    MrSteve@TheAlienZoneBBS.org

    you really shouldn't do this. spambots will harvest your email address.
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