Foriest Jan Smith wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue May 20 2025 20:38:47

Interesting that you mention the KKK. I was talking to a friend
who said a Swastika flag was 'hate speech.' I said it's still
FREE speech. You don't have to like it.

I've always associated freedom of speech with government rather than a private company's response to your speech. I think to assume otherwise
is kind of silly. I'd be glad if such individuals honestly suffered the social consequences (social consequences are not covered by freedom of speech, merely retaliation by government).

Yeah - in this case, if a neighbor puts up a flag that the
other neighbors don't like, they can complain and they
can refuse to do business with him, etc.

BUT - they do NOT have the right to go on his property and
remove the flag.

So it's more than the government... The police telling him
he had to take it down would be the government stepping in
(and stepping over their authority).



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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-

"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".

Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.



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Re: Re: free speech
By: jimmylogan to Boraxman on Tue May 27 2025 08:29 am

Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.

A lot of crime is completely asocial.

Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.


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Boraxman wrote to jimmylogan <=-

"Hate Speech" is just a mushy, vague sentiment used
to blanket-ban and smear anything they don't want discussed. Its a rhetorical device, a language construct used to sway emotion, not a descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".

Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.

A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.


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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 28 2025 08:48 am

descriptive statement. No one really knows what "Hate Speech" is
aside from a particular political class stating that such and such is "hate speech".

If a person believes there should be restrictions on Free Speech, they haven't been educated, they have been Indoctrinated.

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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 28 2025 08:48 am

A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.

the reasoning behind it is they want to punish people more for targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class.
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MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to jimmylogan on Wed May 28 2025 08:48 am

A lot of crime is senseless, and the attacker has no prior animus towards the
victim. We do distinguish that from premeditated acts, so "Hate crime" still
doesn't make much sense, except to elevate one type of person over another.

the reasoning behind it is they want to punish people more for
targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class.
religion, sex, race, etc ---

I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?

This is to protect minorities, and enable the ruling elite to create a "diverse" society. Hate crimes are social control, nothing more.

I really do wish people would stop being so credulous and
just accepting everything they are told at face value.


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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 29 2025 07:57 am

targetting and attacking someone based on their protected class. religion, sex, race, etc ---

I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?

yes it's also a hate crime and black people have been charged with hate crimes against white and other races.
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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 29 2025 07:57 am

I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a "hate crime"?

I'd think so, yes.

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jimmylogan wrote to Boraxman <=-

Exactly. I remember a few years ago when it was vogue to
describe something as a 'hate crime.' Isn't all crime
hate crime? You don't love your neighbor, so you steal
their property, burn their home, kill them, etc.

The intent of the law was that a crime was perpetrated on someone
*because* of their race or other protected status.

It's the difference between "let's kill this guy because he's an
asshole" versus "let's kill this guy because he's
black/muslim/gay/trans".

But, it can be loosely applied all too often - the same way everyone
except actual domestic terrorists can be called domestic terrorists.



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Arelor wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will
try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.

It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.



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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to jimmylogan on Fri May 30 2025 07:51 am

The intent of the law was that a crime was perpetrated on someone
*because* of their race or other protected status.

It's the difference between "let's kill this guy because he's an
asshole" versus "let's kill this guy because he's
black/muslim/gay/trans".

any killing is a bad, and all murders should be met with the same strict punishment.

But, it can be loosely applied all too often - the same way everyone
except actual domestic terrorists can be called domestic terrorists.

are you talking about liberals who riot, damage people and property and spray paint swastikas?
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29

But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Foriest Jan Smith to jimmylogan on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:18 am

But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.

People have a right to their opinions and probably have a good reason for having them.

When I was a little kid, younger than 5, I was have a great day at the beach with my mother. Everything was great until a group of 5 black women beat my mother infront of me and dragged me out into the water and held my head under water.

Since then i've probably had hundreds of bad encounters with black people. they've stolen from me, attacked and robbed me and treated me with severe disrespect. they've used racist comments against me. In the workplace they refused to train me or communicate with me because I was white. For 3 years I lived in an area that was mostly black. I'd go into the walmart and I'd be the only white guy. They acted like animals and killed eachother and destroyed their property. That walmart is now one of those lockdown walmarts where almost everything is in a plexyglass cabinet. everything possible is in those cabinets.

Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.

I'm a smart guy and I always take each person as they come. i don't expect anything bad from someone. but a lesser person would be a racist, wouldn't they.
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Free speech or the world will collapse!

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Free speech or the world will collapse!

you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

When I was a little kid, younger than 5, I was have a great day at the beach with my mother. Everything was great until a group of 5 black women beat my mother infront of me and dragged me out into the water and held my head under water.

Since then i've probably had hundreds of bad encounters with black people.

A while ago, I remember you posting a message saying you're black..? Yet you talk here like you're (probably) caucasian? And you had also posted another message around that same time saying you're a "white guy"..

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Re: Re: free speech
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu May 29 2025 07:57 am

I understand the intent, it just doesn't make sense. If a black
person kills a white person because they are white, is that also a
"hate crime"?

Yes. I thought that was well understood.
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm

I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country, especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch yn fawr

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:14 pm

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm

I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country, especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch yn fawr

how does the welsh have more freedom than the united states?

for example people in the UK are being locked up in jail for SAYING things on facebook. in the usa that doesn't happen.

2 parents were locked up for 12 hrs over comments a man made about his child's teachers on whatsapp. they arrested both people. there was no public report about what they said. they complained about not being able to meet with the school about their epilopsy. they also complained about a teacher in regards to how they were recruited. there was no crime nor did they tell him the crime. but they locked him up. after six weeks it was dropped. over there you are guilty until proven innocent as well. they could have been locked up for six weeks. they were also locked up while their children watched.

they also have presentencing guide lines that judge against whites and white males.

this is just a few things. would you like to explain your country?
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm

I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr

Ummmmmmmmm.... sorry but Wales is part of the U.K., whether you like it
or not. Surprising that you don't know that.

Also "truth" is not subject to anyone's 'opinion'. It either is, or it
isn't.



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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri May 30 2025 07:51 am

Also, a lot of things are defined as illegal just because it suits the government, but that does not mean they are immoral. For example, tax evasion in tax heavy regimes is an act of self-defense but they will try very hard to convince the population that it is bad because it is illegal.

It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.

That would only be true if we accepted that the government has a legitimate claim to authority, which is debatable.

ie. do you think it is ethical for a political party that got in power with 23% of the votes to build infrastructure which is clearly not needed while politicians and contractors divert 50% of the budget of each project to their pockets?

When people condemns tax evasion they do so based on the idealized model of what the State is and what it does represent instead of what the government *actually is* and how it behaves in practice.


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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.

No, it is not wrong. We all have our life experiences. A whole pack of them beat up my little brother in downtown Richmond when he was a teen-ager. My little brother would never hurt a fly.

It was just blatant evil...

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm

Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm

I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 16:15:20

Re: Re: Re:free speech

Free speech or the world will collapse!

you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech

Great Britain lost free speech quite a while ago. The police over there have been jailing people lately for saying unkind things on social media.

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Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm

Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm

I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.

You really should learn how to quote some of the message you are
replying to, so that there is some context available to help others know
what you are referring to...

Sure, you can state your ethnicity all you want, and I didn't say you couldn't. But you *ARE* from the U.K., and you don't get to "identify"
as to where you are from.. It's just a simple fact, and not up for
debate, nor a matter of opinion.

I don't know much about the odds of those 4 nations all becoming
independent, but I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting for it to
happen. In fact I'd bet a lot of money that it *won't* happen... ;-)

Anyway, welcome aboard. I have Scottish/Welsh ancestry myself, although
my family tree has been traced back to my ancestors' arrival in the
mid-1600's in what is now Massachusetts, USA, and I therefore have no
problem "identifying" as American. ;-)



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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 04:37 pm

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm

Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales having its own

i'm sure all kinds of things happen there.

they have stop and search right? that's a violation of rights. they shouldn't stop you and search you without a good reason.

healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.

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Re: Free Speech
By: Josh Bailey to Mickey on Tue Jun 03 2025 06:57 pm

Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm

Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this

this has been happening a lot. people are jailed for saying things
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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:28 pm

I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.

I'm ethnically Welsh and Wales is a country so i may be in the UK physically and legally a citizen iw ould never say i was from the UK. It would be like saying i was from North America instead of saying Canada, or USA or mexico.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm

You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.

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Re: Free Speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm

Re: Free Speech

Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Is it wrong for me to have a 'slant' of prejudice against people of color because of my life's experiences? I'm pushing 50 and the experiences keep coming and are still occuring.

Until someone has worked with a group of blacks and been the minority, or sat in a lunchroom being the only white person and heard the word Ngr spoken more than I can count. In my opinion, they have no opinion. Racism is not a one way street. If I don't have to go into Brown Town, I don't.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm

You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.

Learn how to quote when you reply.



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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29

But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.

I'll never be mistaken for a moderator, but I don't seem to be able to
follow your conversation. Your reply doesn't really contain any context
for me to grab onto.

Have a great day!

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Quoting Josh Bailey to Mro <=-

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 04:15 pm

I do not identify as British or being from the 'uk' ewww. I am Welsh
only and we have freedom of speech more than any other country,
especially America and that is the truth in my humble opinion. Diolch
yn fawr

The key words are 'your opinion'. Not neccesarily a correct opinion, and
not neccesarily a humble opinion. Of course, we all think our own
nationalities are better than others don't we?

So I said, "Yes Miranda, Wales is a part of the United Kingdom". Then
she said, well yes they do trample free speech, don't they.

Croeso

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 08:56 pm

I'm forced to have 'British' as my nationality as legally it is
correct. However i have the right to state my ethnicity as Welsh as
that is legally recognised and also biological fact as i am nativly
from Wales. One day an Independant Wales, Scotland, England and a
unified Ireland will happen and we will all be happy and free.

And one day this may come to pass, but until then ~ You are from the
United Kingdom.

Have a great day!

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Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 07:22 pm

Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this

You tell us your sources on the web first!

My god! What would the world do without 'sources on the web'!

Also, you don't really provide any context in your reply. Can't really
tell what the heck you are asking about. Makes people look at your
message and wonder what you are going on about.

Have a wonderful day.

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Gamgee to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:28 pm

I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.

I'm ethnically Welsh and Wales is a country so i may be in the UK physically and legally a citizen iw ould never say i was from the UK.
It would be like saying i was from North America instead of saying
Canada, or USA or mexico.

You are a constant source of amusement.

Thanks!

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:27 pm

You don't need to pay for prescriptions in Wales or Scotland unlike England where you have to.

Educate me.

Who exactly does pay for prescriptions in Wales and or Scotland? I
don't think they just appear on trees after the prescription is
written. Do you plant them and then pick the produce? Wait, maybe
someone else pays for them...

Have a great day.

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Re: Free Speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm

Re: Free Speech

Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i
don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.

You show me! I don't believe you can prove that you can't prove anything
over a BBS.

Nyah, nyah, na na na.

You realize you sound pretty childish don't you? How old are you
anyway?

Do your parents know you are using the internet to BBS?

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to Gamgee on Tue Jun 03 2025 10:33 pm

I don't know how to quote tbh on here so i won't until i know how lol.

To start, have you tried looking at the help in the editor you're using?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29

But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to
take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.

I'll never be mistaken for a moderator, but I don't seem to be able to
follow your conversation. Your reply doesn't really contain any
context for me to grab onto.

Yup, this seems to be a common theme with the noobs lately. Hopefully
they can learn how to quote sometime soon.



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Re: Free Speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Tue Jun 03 2025 10:36 pm

Re: Free Speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Tue Jun 03 2025 09:29 pm

Re: Free Speech

Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.

just use google.
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Re: Free Speech
By: Josh Bailey to Mickey on Tue Jun 03 2025 06:57 pm

Source? tell me your sources on the Web for this

I Googled it, and so can you.. But here are some things I found:

https://winslowlawyers.com/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-communications/

https://tinyurl.com/4z5mr362
Full URL: https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2024/08/think-before-you-post-the-u-k-is-now -jailing-people-for-social-media-comments/

Nightfox

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It's also depriving the body politic of money that should be used to
provide for the common good, which is why it's bad.

That would only be true if we accepted that the government has a legitimate claim to authority, which is debatable.

ie. do you think it is ethical for a political party that got in power with 23% of the votes to build infrastructure which is clearly not
needed while politicians and contractors divert 50% of the budget of
each project to their pockets?

When people condemns tax evasion they do so based on the idealized
model of what the State is and what it does represent instead of what
the government *actually is* and how it behaves in practice.

I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.



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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: jimmylogan to Foriest Jan Smith on Tue May 27 2025 08:29:29

But on that same note I also don't CARE if they're being forced to take it down. People like that should feel unwelcome to have those opinions, in my opinion.

You didn't quot what I said, so I assume you are talking about
a Nazi flag?

If not, then what?

If so, you might disagree with it, but do you agree with them having
the legal right to believe and say what they want?



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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.

It is easy.

In a modern nation-state it is understood that the legitimacy of authority comes from the fact they represent the interests of the people, who delegates power in the government. I don't agrtee but let's follow with the argument.

If a government does NOT represent the interest of the voters then you cannot say they are using the power the people delegated on it as intended. If they are outright abusing such power and not representing the people then they don't get to claim they work with the authority of the people and therefore nobody must take their ethical claims seriously.


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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

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Re: Re: free speech
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor
on Wed Jun 04 2025 05:13 pm

I'd claim that the claim to authority is valid, but grift, while
damaging isn't a reason to deny the claim.

It is easy.

In a modern nation-state it is understood that the legitimacy of
authority comes from the fact they represent the interests of the
people, who delegates power in the government. I don't agrtee but let's follow with the argument.

If a government does NOT represent the interest of the voters then you cannot say they are using the power the people delegated on it as intended. If they are outright abusing such power and not representing
the people then they don't get to claim they work with the authority of the people and therefore nobody must take their ethical claims
seriously.

I would go one further.

If the government is acting against the interests of the nation, and
by that I specifically mean its people, then it is *treasonous* and
should be treated as such.

A government that treats its people as hostile, has not only lost its legitimacy, but its right to continue. The people would be right to
treat it as an enemy.

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Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Free Speech

Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.

The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK_WAr5_lSdPCh12lsrThlFcL5Y525maW5O9vX_rx4b0m9XmXlohG4B2andN6CkoUBiLk-m5EXrYThKjz7qOrEspaOVvhS4qGZK_Ooc17X2o2KbDVJB7tN9S5VsBSyj3MKc-Hq5_V7WUO_PleObQbb2nF7gpc5QHIyq8EqdyJHub

Suffice it to say, if a US citizen were to visit the UK, they need to be EXTREMELY careful about what, how, and where they say something. As a US citizen who has never been to the UK before, I could be subject to arrest in the UK for things I have posted on social media in the past should I ever visit that oppressive regime.



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MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Free speech or the world will collapse!

you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech

Wow! MRO, you often (okay, USUALLY) post things I do not agree with. But in this instance....

TOUCHE!

Well played Sir! Well played!



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Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Josh Bailey on Mon Jun 02 2025 07:52 pm

Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales
having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what
you can get in England.

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So.... there's "free" and then there's "more free?"

Fascinating.


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Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Weatherman to MRO on Sat Jun 07 2025 03:05 am

MRO wrote to Josh Bailey <=-

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: Josh Bailey to MRO on Mon Jun 02 2025 01:23 pm

Re: Re: Re:free speech
By: MRO to Foriest Jan Smith on Mon Jun 02 2025 03:01 pm

Free speech or the world will collapse!

you're in the uk. what do you know about free speech

Wow! MRO, you often (okay, USUALLY) post things I do not agree with. But in this instance....

TOUCHE!

Well played Sir! Well played!

dude you sure got some balls to talk about not agreeing with what i post.
i still got the screenshots of that little girl picture you posted in irc on bbs-scene years ago.
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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Weatherman to Josh Bailey on Sat Jun 07 2025 03:01 am

Josh Bailey wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Free Speech

Well show me the HTTPS://www. then for that on the Web. because i don't beleive you unless i saw it anyway. And you can't prove anything over a BBS.

The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at h s://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?gucc ter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK r5_lSdPCh12lsrThlFcL5Y525maW5O9vX_rx4b0m9XmXlohG4B2andN6CkoUBiLk-m5EXrYThKjz rEspaOVvhS4qGZK_Ooc17X2o2KbDVJB7tN9S5VsBSyj3MKc-Hq5_V7WUO_PleObQbb2nF7gpc5QH 8EqdyJHub

Suffice it to say, if a US citizen were to visit the UK, they need to be EXTREMELY careful about what, how, and where they say something. As a US citizen who has never been to the UK before, I could be subject to arrest in the UK for things I have posted on social media in the past should I ever vi that oppressive regime.

This is just more evidence that multicultural places must become tyrannies.

The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope, and in order to protect itself, must police them and control their speech, because otherwise they would object and point out the nature of their emmiseration.

What is going on in the UK is a crime, and the people are being silenced.

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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Weatherman on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:21:52

The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope

I must have slept in that day as I completely missed it.

The only time this stuff about UK hate speech laws ever seems to come up is when someone from the USA says what a travesty it is. It's fairly controversial here when it gets used, but that's almost never. I haven't heard anything about it in at least a year.

BobW

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Not all of this happened in Wales specifically though? Wales is politically separate from other parts of the UK in terms of Wales
having its own Government and Parliament as a devolved constituent country. We have healthcare in Wales that is even more free than what you can get in England.

So.... there's "free" and then there's "more free?"

Fascinating.

That actually isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Here in the US, you
are more free in some states than you are in, say, California, and even in
some cities vs. Chicago or NYC.

I am reading what he says with that in mind.


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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Weatherman on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:21:52

Re: Re: Free Speech

The UK has cracked down severely in past years on what is known as 'speech
crime." Web citations are legion. One article discussing the topic is at
h s://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-charged-speech-crimes-jd-162128138.html?g
ucc ter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=A

The last time I visited England (30 years ago) It was a beautiful country full of wonderful history and lovely people. Today, the country is a total shithole, just remember as with the so called British invasion, they are about a year ahead of us. Get ready.

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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Mickey to Boraxman on Sun Jun 08 2025 07:17 pm

The last time I visited England (30 years ago) It was a beautiful country full of wonderful history and lovely people. Today, the country is a total shithole, just remember as with the so called British invasion, they are about a year ahead of us. Get ready.

i love close to minnesota and they have a TON of immigrants that get a free ride. i'm seeing it happen in real time.
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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Bob Worm to Boraxman on Sun Jun 08 2025 03:05 pm

Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Weatherman on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:21:52

The UK Government has laid to waste the British peope

I must have slept in that day as I completely missed it.

The only time this stuff about UK hate speech laws ever seems to come up is when someone from the USA says what a travesty it is. It's fairly controvers here when it gets used, but that's almost never. I haven't heard anything ab it in at least a year.

BobW

Britain will be minority White within a few decades.

That is to say, the British peoples will be a minority due to government policy just from the last half century or so. Much of this has occured in recent administrations.

Generally, in order for a people to go from being THE people of that land, to a minority, it would have involved a catastrophic invasion and subsequent ethnic cleansing.

For a people to do that to itself, is a collosal self-defeat.

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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Bob Worm on Mon Jun 09 2025 17:16:10

Britain will be minority White within a few decades.

OK, I'm out.

BobW

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Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Bob Worm to Boraxman on Mon Jun 09 2025 09:44 pm

Re: Re: Free Speech
By: Boraxman to Bob Worm on Mon Jun 09 2025 17:16:10

Britain will be minority White within a few decades.

OK, I'm out.

BobW

you're leaving the uk?
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