• Re: Transgenic

    From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 1 01:52:00 2025
    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes
    >>statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right
    >appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of
    >significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.

    That's been a big problem with a lot of things. Toe the party line!

    Like the worry inching towards panic to do with global warming, and
    any scientists who do not say exactly what the gov't wants them to say
    will lose their funding and be blocked.

    We have a tiny, if any, affect on global warming. It's happened many
    times in the past and the world has spent a lot more time without
    polar ice caps than with them. The last one brought about stories
    like Noah's Ark. About 4500 years ago the temperatures warmed up and
    the ice caps melted and flooded much of the Coastal areas, where
    a lot of people lived and their 'god' was punishing them for some
    reason. Then, 3000 years later, things cooled down again and crops
    that the Romans planted in England (like grapes for wine) would no
    longer grow in most areas because it was now too cold.

    An interesting book on that, both a good story about eco-terrorists
    but also with a lot of scientific information about global warming
    (backed up with the source scientific papers listed) is called
    State of Fear by Michael Crichton.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 1 01:51:00 2025
    Thanks to the folks who just want to let "God do his job," we
    >now have measles back. "God helps those who help themselves" -- if you just
    >sit back and think he will take care of it all, you are in for a surprise.

    A line I always liked was, 'God answers all our prayers, but sometimes
    the answer is no..' B)

    But as you suggested, back in the distant past it was rare for a person
    to live to be 35.. and that number has dramatically grown over the years because we started taking science and medicine into our own hands.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Mar 28 10:05:00 2025
    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so
    they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to
    do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    Mike

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Fri Mar 28 12:47:04 2025
    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Mar 29 07:58:00 2025
    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so
    they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who
    would you suggest we do trust with it?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sat Mar 29 08:02:08 2025
    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be tr with science anymore.

    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes to statistics.

    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me. The same goes for Fauci's beagle pup massacre.

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  • From Jim Howarth@1:229/300 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Mar 29 10:45:40 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me.

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical research. Whats your degree in?


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Mar 29 10:56:50 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

    Maybe if the right could understand the difference between similar
    words, they could.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 08:36:00 2025
    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes to
    statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right
    appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Jim Howarth on Sun Mar 30 13:20:28 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical
    research. Whats your degree in?

    Having mice to use as a model is useful, but gene modification isn't. Refer to the adverse effects of the experimental covid "vaccine."

    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive for 100 years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's proven to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    No matter what our degrees are in, if we're paying taxes in America then we have a say in how the money should be spent. My suggestion is let God do his job.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Mar 30 14:57:42 2025
    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it co >to
    statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.

    Politicians and the media will always politicize science. It's difficult for me to trust anyone's science but my own. Whoever designed traffic safety seems to be a good scientist because it works. I'll adhere to traffic safety science.

    But whoever decided to mutate viruses is iffy, and whoever decided to label cell mutation therapy as "a vaccine" is iffy too. I need to "be my own scientist" in those areas by watching how it affects people who "trust the other guys to be scientists."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 17:30:00 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to m

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical research. Whats your degree in?

    Having mice to use as a model is useful, but gene modification isn't. Refer to
    the adverse effects of the experimental covid "vaccine."

    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive for 100
    years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's proven to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    They are not researching how to modify *OUR* genes, they are modifying the mouse genes so that they are more like ours so they can then do testing on them.

    No matter what our degrees are in, if we're paying taxes in America then we have a say in how the money should be spent. My suggestion is let God do his job.

    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had
    several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given
    brains and talents to "do science."

    Thanks to the folks who just want to let "God do his job," we
    now have measles back. "God helps those who help themselves" -- if you just
    sit back and think he will take care of it all, you are in for a surprise.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 31 04:29:04 2025
    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive f 100
    years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's p to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    They are not researching how to modify *OUR* genes, they are modifying
    the mouse genes so that they are more like ours so they can then do testing on them.

    Human and mouse genes are already 85% identical. How much closer do we want to get it? And how much should that cost?

    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given brains and talents to "do science."

    I'm skeptical about where those viruses came from in the first place. We've got secretive biolabs mutating viruses, and we've got bureaucrats funding them.

    Is there a vaccine for that? lol

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 31 09:27:00 2025
    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given brains and talents to "do science."

    I'm skeptical about where those viruses came from in the first place. We've
    o
    secretive biolabs mutating viruses, and we've got bureaucrats funding them.

    I do question some of the "secret" work these labs do, but some of the work made public is necessary.


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