But what you just said is an eye-opener. There can't be a "bird flu epidemic" just in the USA and not in neighboring countries; it's impossible because birds travel all over the USA and Canada all the time. If we had a "bird flu epidemic" that makes it "dangerous to ste outside your door," then Canada would be experiencing it also.

Egg-laying industrial farmed chickens don't fly all over the world, and their living conditions typically favor infectious disease spread. I'm surprised I would have to explain this to you.

There was media speculation that it was wild birds that were infecting domesticated birds (that and that it if you saw a bird in your backyard then you would die.) You don't *have* to explain anything to me, but explaining stuff is the gentlemanly thing to do. I don't live on a farm.

Now the missing part of this puzzle is finding out who made all the money off these ridiculous egg prices.

Egg Companies? Big Egg has done similar supply manipulation tricks in
the past.

Ok, but that contradicts your expert knowledge of egg farming and the notion that "farmed chickens living conditions favor infectious disease spread."

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** On Wednesday 19.03.25 - 01:21, Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL:

Based on what I paid Friday, $4.60 USD is about 43% more expensive
there,

so not too far off.

Yes, there is a fair bit of Carbon tax and sales tax on gas here
which doesn't help but I think, even without those, it would still
be cheaper there.

Fuel prices are slated to drop 20cents on the litre here on Apr
1, due to our government removing the Carbon Tax at the
consumer level.

It's currently 147.9 per L in my area of Ontario right now.


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I have not heard them say it makes it dangerous to step ouside. I have

>heard that it is dangerous to hang around flocks of birds, but not many
>people do that. At least one person who did has become sick in recent past.

Rob mentioned how there are ways that Canadian chicken farms are run, and

>that the USA likely runs them differently. I am not sure but I suspect he
>means how many egg farms keep the hens close together in small cages in
>order to maximize the number of hens in a particular space.

That, in turn, makes the spread of disease more likely. Rob will have to

>confirm, but I suspect in Canada they don't do that which is why they
>probably don't have as many issues with bird flu.

I don't know that the migrating birds that bring the flu in come this
far North, or at least in much smaller numbers. I think that the idea
of thousands of birds in tiny cages they can barely move in is more
common down there, and possibly illegal up here.

But we have had the odd case of bird flu up here so we are not
completely removed from it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Egg Companies? Big Egg has done similar supply manipulation tricks in
the past.

Ok, but that contradicts your expert knowledge of egg farming and the notion that "farmed chickens living conditions favor infectious disease spread."

Firstly, it doesn't take "expert knowledge" to understand the issues
with chicken farming, nor did I claim to be an expert.

Secondly, capitalism in any form has involved market manipulation to
increase profits.

I'm surprised I need to explain this.



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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Yes, so it seems.. You'd think they would keep the price of milk low
for the health of kids. It doesn't seem good that you can buy soft
drinks for 1/3 the cost of milk.

School lunches and child nutrition are a no-brainer, or you'd think.
It's an investment into our country - every dollar in SNAP funding adds
$1.54 to the GDP, and every billion in SNAP benefits supports 14,000
jobs while contributing more to the GDP then we spend.

Not to mention the benefits to the country as a whole having children well-nourished during their formative years and the effect on their
education.

Instead, we get to hear wealthy politicians blaming poor parents as an
excuse to cut funding. I guess an ignorant populace is easier to
manipulate - and someone has to do those jobs no one wants to do when we
stop all undocumented workers!

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Ok, but that contradicts your expert knowledge of egg farming and the notion that "farmed chickens living conditions favor infectious disea spread."

Firstly, it doesn't take "expert knowledge" to understand the issues
with chicken farming, nor did I claim to be an expert.

It takes ignorance to "understand" what the media wants us to believe. And it takes firsthand evidence to prove that Canadians make their chickens wear N95 masks or that they give them so much space that they can't even catch a virus from one another.

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Based on what I paid Friday, $4.60 USD is about 43% more expensive
there, so not too far off.

Yes, there is a fair bit of Carbon tax and sales tax on gas here
which doesn't help but I think, even without those, it would still
be cheaper there.

Fuel prices are slated to drop 20cents on the litre here on Apr

>1, due to our government removing the Carbon Tax at the
>consumer level.

It's currently 147.9 per L in my area of Ontario right now.

For our American friends that will work out to about $3.60 for
an American gallon in US Dollars after the carbon tax comes off.

We will be getting down closer to what they pay there..

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After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas prices are dropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not bad compared to the weeks of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

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After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas prices

re

dropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not bad compared to the weeks of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

Gas prices here were going down before Biden left office.

Mike

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas
prices are dropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not bad compared to the weeks of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

And the fact that some segment of the population believes un-supported
crap like this is how we got in this mess in the first place.



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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas prices

re

dropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not bad compared to the weeks of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

Gas prices here were going down before Biden left office.

Given the sources of gasoline, the price changes are the result of market manipulation by the oil companies and producers, not tariffs. Minor
point.



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After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas prices are dropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not ba compared to the weeks of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

And the fact that some segment of the population believes un-supported crap like this is how we got in this mess in the first place.

Are you referring to the "attack on science?"

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After all this tariff talk, all I see is prices going down. The gas prices ar

>ropping, and now I can get eggs for $4.99 a dozen. Not bad compared to the we
> of Biden's needless chicken massacre.

Our gas prices are supposed to drop a fair bit in Canada as the new
Prime Minister drops the Carbon tax but converting gallons and dollars
we've been paying about $4.60 a US gallon in US dollars which I think
is about 50% higher than you guys pay.. The carbon tax off gas will
drop that to closer to $4 here.

I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or
whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here. The eggs I
got recently cost me about $3.90, and have been at that level for
many months.. and I suppose you have to make allowances for the fact
that our dollar is only about 70 cents US at the moment so $3.90
becomes about $2.75..

Milk took a big jump a while back. Our 4 Litre bags are almost
exactly the same as an American gallon. I haven't seen the price
of milk there lately but our price is about $6.60, but not too
long back it was about $4.99 or less..

If accurate, looking online it appears the average US price per gallon
of milk is about $3.20 and our $6.60 allowing for the dollar exchange
becomes $4.62 or so, still a lot higher..
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Our gas prices are supposed to drop a fair bit in Canada as the new
Prime Minister drops the Carbon tax but converting gallons and dollars
we've been paying about $4.60 a US gallon in US dollars which I think
is about 50% higher than you guys pay.. The carbon tax off gas will
drop that to closer to $4 here.

Based on what I paid Friday, $4.60 USD is about 43% more expensive there,
so not too far off.

I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here. The eggs I
got recently cost me about $3.90, and have been at that level for
many months.. and I suppose you have to make allowances for the fact
that our dollar is only about 70 cents US at the moment so $3.90
becomes about $2.75..

Did your government, or farmers, do a better job of containing it?

Milk took a big jump a while back. Our 4 Litre bags are almost
exactly the same as an American gallon. I haven't seen the price
of milk there lately but our price is about $6.60, but not too
long back it was about $4.99 or less..

That sounds higher than here.

If accurate, looking online it appears the average US price per gallon
of milk is about $3.20 and our $6.60 allowing for the dollar exchange
becomes $4.62 or so, still a lot higher..

The per gallon price here in my area was less than that, last I checked, so your area is quite a bit higher.

Mike


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I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here. The eggs I
got recently cost me about $3.90, and have been at that level for
many months.. and I suppose you have to make allowances for the fact
that our dollar is only about 70 cents US at the moment so $3.90
becomes about $2.75..

That's interesting. Here in the states the media and the Democrats are trying to convince us that "there's a bird flu epidemic" and that "this is why egg prices are soaring."

But what you just said is an eye-opener. There can't be a "bird flu epidemic" just in the USA and not in neighboring countries; it's impossible because birds travel all over the USA and Canada all the time. If we had a "bird flu epidemic" that makes it "dangerous to step outside your door," then Canada would be experiencing it also.

Now the missing part of this puzzle is finding out who made all the money off these ridiculous egg prices.

If accurate, looking online it appears the average US price per gallon
of milk is about $3.20 and our $6.60 allowing for the dollar exchange becomes $4.62 or so, still a lot higher..

That's about right, but the price varies in different regions. Be prepared for the day when the media declares that "birds from the USA have flown into Canada and now egg prices are soaring!" I don't wish it on you but watch out for ridiculous false news like that.

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I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here. The eggs I
got recently cost me about $3.90, and have been at that level for
many months.. and I suppose you have to make allowances for the fact that our dollar is only about 70 cents US at the moment so $3.90
becomes about $2.75..

Did your government, or farmers, do a better job of containing it?

That's a good question that you asked Rob. But unless Trudeau built a wall that prevents birds from crossing the border, the answer is no!

We've been hustled by the media, the grocery stores, and the Biden administration (once again!)

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Rob Mccart wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

Our gas prices are supposed to drop a fair bit in Canada as the new
Prime Minister drops the Carbon tax but converting gallons and dollars we've been paying about $4.60 a US gallon in US dollars which I think
is about 50% higher than you guys pay.. The carbon tax off gas will
drop that to closer to $4 here.

Depends on where you are in the US. California requires cleaner-burning
gas than the rest of the US, and fewer refineries make it than the
49-state formulations. My local gas station is $4.59/gallon.

And, we suffer from the same market manipulation as other markets - 2
refineries will just happen (wink, wink!) to shut down at the same time
for "routine" maintenance. The price goes up 20 cents a gallon on
supply constraints, then comes back down 19 cents. Repeat as necessary.

It's the only industry I know of where having an accident that's your
fault results in higher profits for the company. Have a refinery
accident, prices go through the roof.

I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here. The eggs I
got recently cost me about $3.90, and have been at that level for
many months.. and I suppose you have to make allowances for the fact
that our dollar is only about 70 cents US at the moment so $3.90
becomes about $2.75..

My local egg supplier has raised prices 10 cents or so - they're raised
locally and haven't been affected by cullings. I've read stories
(fitting to the topic here) that the number of birds killed to prevent
the spread of bird flu aren't greatly affecting the number of laying
chickens, and that this is more market manipulation and artificial
scarcity. We'll see what comes out of this.

Milk took a big jump a while back. Our 4 Litre bags are almost
exactly the same as an American gallon. I haven't seen the price
of milk there lately but our price is about $6.60, but not too
long back it was about $4.99 or less..

If accurate, looking online it appears the average US price per gallon
of milk is about $3.20 and our $6.60 allowing for the dollar exchange becomes $4.62 or so, still a lot higher..
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But what you just said is an eye-opener. There can't be a "bird flu epidemic" just in the USA and not in neighboring countries; it's impossible because

ird

travel all over the USA and Canada all the time. If we had a "bird flu epidemic" that makes it "dangerous to step outside your door," then Canada would be experiencing it also.

I have not heard them say it makes it dangerous to step ouside. I have
heard that it is dangerous to hang around flocks of birds, but not many
people do that. At least one person who did has become sick in recent past.

Rob mentioned how there are ways that Canadian chicken farms are run, and
that the USA likely runs them differently. I am not sure but I suspect he means how many egg farms keep the hens close together in small cages in
order to maximize the number of hens in a particular space.

That, in turn, makes the spread of disease more likely. Rob will have to confirm, but I suspect in Canada they don't do that which is why they
probably don't have as many issues with bird flu.


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Rob mentioned how there are ways that Canadian chicken farms are run, and that the USA likely runs them differently. I am not sure but I suspect
he means how many egg farms keep the hens close together in small cages
in order to maximize the number of hens in a particular space.

And to keep sick migratory birds out?

That might work, but if that's really necessary, then we ought to see all the chicken farmers here doing that now, in response to the "bird flu."

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Our gas prices are supposed to drop a fair bit in Canada as the new

>> Prime Minister drops the Carbon tax but converting gallons and dollars
>> we've been paying about $4.60 a US gallon in US dollars which I think
>> is about 50% higher than you guys pay.. The carbon tax off gas will
>> drop that to closer to $4 here.

Based on what I paid Friday, $4.60 USD is about 43% more expensive there,

>so not too far off.

Yes, there is a fair bit of Carbon tax and sales tax on gas here
which doesn't help but I think, even without those, it would still
be cheaper there.

I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or

>> whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here.

Did your government, or farmers, do a better job of containing it?

I think you get more of the birds that carry it there. We have had
just a couple of cases of it in Canada which were easily contained
plus our farms are much smaller than the mega producers you have
down there where a case of it requires killing a LOT of chickens.

If accurate, looking online it appears the average US price per gallon

>> of milk is about $3.20 and our $6.60 allowing for the dollar exchange
>> becomes $4.62 or so, still a lot higher..

The per gallon price here in my area was less than that, last I checked, so

>your area is quite a bit higher.

Yes, so it seems.. You'd think they would keep the price of milk low
for the health of kids. It doesn't seem good that you can buy soft
drinks for 1/3 the cost of milk.

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I remember hearing about egg prices in the USA due to the bird flu or whatever it was, but it didn't seem to change much here.

That's interesting. Here in the states the media and the Democrats are trying

> convince us that "there's a bird flu epidemic" and that "this is why egg pri
> are soaring."

But what you just said is an eye-opener. There can't be a "bird flu epidemic"

>st in the USA and not in neighboring countries; it's impossible because birds
>avel all over the USA and Canada all the time. If we had a "bird flu epidemic
>hat makes it "dangerous to step outside your door," then Canada would be expe
>ncing it also.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I think you get more of the birds there that
are carriers and when a farm is infected, it is likely that the farm
will be Much larger there than an egg producer farm here.

There have been a very few small cases of bird flu here but so far
not enough to be a big news item or change prices much.

That's about right, but the price varies in different regions. Be prepared fo

>he day when the media declares that "birds from the USA have flown into Canad
>nd now egg prices are soaring!" I don't wish it on you but watch out for ridi
>ous false news like that.

Yes, no one wants it spreading further or to see higher prices for
any reason.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

That's interesting. Here in the states the media and the Democrats are trying to convince us that "there's a bird flu epidemic" and that "this
is why egg prices are soaring."

But what you just said is an eye-opener. There can't be a "bird flu epidemic" just in the USA and not in neighboring countries; it's impossible because birds travel all over the USA and Canada all the
time. If we had a "bird flu epidemic" that makes it "dangerous to step outside your door," then Canada would be experiencing it also.

Egg-laying industrial farmed chickens don't fly all over the world, and
their living conditions typically favor infectious disease spread. I'm surprised I would have to explain this to you.

Now the missing part of this puzzle is finding out who made all the
money off these ridiculous egg prices.

Egg Companies? Big Egg has done similar supply manipulation tricks in
the past.




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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

We've been hustled by the media, the grocery stores, and the Biden administration (once again!)

Maybe the White House autopen has become sentient and that's the reason
behind the current mayhem?



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